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Right of way?

Now I know how the large commercial operators must feel some times.

I was motoring at five knots when a jet ski came roaring across my bow from
starboard at about full speed for those things.  As he went by at 30 knots,
he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference) (feminine hygine
reference), I had the right of way!

Huh. Who ever heard of a jet ski operator even knowing that there was such a
thing?   Our speed disparity was such that any course or speed alteration I
could have made wouldn’t have significantly altered my status as an
essentially stationary object.  His course was dead straight and the passing
distance wasn’t any less than is typical for these buzz  bombs.

Nice to know that one of these bozos has read a boating book though.


Roger Long

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24 Responses to “Right of way?”

  1. admin says:

    "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote in news:465824d1$0$3244
    $4c368…@roadrunner.com:

    > he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference)

    No shotgun aboard?  They usually ski away fast when I come up from below
    with the big Browning….(c;

    I used to ski in a pack with others who love them.  I still love them,
    but realize I’m not gettin’ any younger.  We never wake jumped anyone’s
    boat without calling them on the radio to ask if it was OK.  Our favorite
    was tugboats in a hurry to get upriver, which creates a huge wake trying
    to plane their displacement hulls.  They monitor channel 10…(c;  "Try
    not to scratch the new paint.", one tugboat captain told me.  He added
    throttle to make the wave bigger.  The trick is to jump off the bow wave
    and try to land over the top of the next wave aft….without flipping
    over or nosing in, of course….(c;

    They know nothing of right-of-way…..another reason I call for mandatory
    testing and licensing the hermits resist.  If I can take his license, I
    can take his life!  The easy way would be to simply take his driver’s
    license from him.  Of course, that would require real enforcement, not
    just some flak-jacketed cowboys stopping everyone for no reason to check
    their fire extinguishers…illegal search and seizure.  They go for the
    easy targets.

    Wanna see ‘em run?  When they flip you the finger, give ‘em a big smile
    and shake your head up and down in a big YES!  Now convinced you are a
    flaming fag, they’ll run for the horizon!  Works great in the car,
    too….(c;

    Larry

    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.

  2. admin says:

    On May 26, 7:15 am, "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote:

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    > Now I know how the large commercial operators must feel some times.

    > I was motoring at five knots when a jet ski came roaring across my bow from
    > starboard at about full speed for those things.  As he went by at 30 knots,
    > he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference) (feminine hygine
    > reference), I had the right of way!

    > Huh. Who ever heard of a jet ski operator even knowing that there was such a
    > thing?   Our speed disparity was such that any course or speed alteration I
    > could have made wouldn’t have significantly altered my status as an
    > essentially stationary object.  His course was dead straight and the passing
    > distance wasn’t any less than is typical for these buzz  bombs.

    > Nice to know that one of these bozos has read a boating book though.

    > —
    > Roger Long

    Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    that. ;-)
    Here’s a solution:
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sailor570/pwchelp.htm

  3. admin says:

    "Keith" <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

    news:1180183370.019044.242480@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com…

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    > On May 26, 7:15 am, "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote:
    >> Now I know how the large commercial operators must feel some times.

    >> I was motoring at five knots when a jet ski came roaring across my bow
    >> from
    >> starboard at about full speed for those things.  As he went by at 30
    >> knots,
    >> he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference) (feminine hygine
    >> reference), I had the right of way!

    >> Huh. Who ever heard of a jet ski operator even knowing that there was
    >> such a
    >> thing?   Our speed disparity was such that any course or speed alteration
    >> I
    >> could have made wouldn’t have significantly altered my status as an
    >> essentially stationary object.  His course was dead straight and the
    >> passing
    >> distance wasn’t any less than is typical for these buzz  bombs.

    >> Nice to know that one of these bozos has read a boating book though.

    >> —
    >> Roger Long

    > Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    > Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    > that. ;-)
    > Here’s a solution:
    > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sailor570/pwchelp.htm

    That’s correct. Great link also. He’s obligated to operate safely and to
    avoid a collision.


    "j" ganz @@
    http://www.sailnow.com

  4. admin says:

    "Larry" <no…@home.com> wrote in message

    news:Xns993C58475D411noonehomecom@208.49.80.253…

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    > "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote in news:465824d1$0$3244
    > $4c368…@roadrunner.com:

    >> he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference)

    > No shotgun aboard?  They usually ski away fast when I come up from below
    > with the big Browning….(c;

    > I used to ski in a pack with others who love them.  I still love them,
    > but realize I’m not gettin’ any younger.  We never wake jumped anyone’s
    > boat without calling them on the radio to ask if it was OK.  Our favorite
    > was tugboats in a hurry to get upriver, which creates a huge wake trying
    > to plane their displacement hulls.  They monitor channel 10…(c;  "Try
    > not to scratch the new paint.", one tugboat captain told me.  He added
    > throttle to make the wave bigger.  The trick is to jump off the bow wave
    > and try to land over the top of the next wave aft….without flipping
    > over or nosing in, of course….(c;

    > They know nothing of right-of-way…..another reason I call for mandatory
    > testing and licensing the hermits resist.  If I can take his license, I
    > can take his life!  The easy way would be to simply take his driver’s
    > license from him.  Of course, that would require real enforcement, not
    > just some flak-jacketed cowboys stopping everyone for no reason to check
    > their fire extinguishers…illegal search and seizure.  They go for the
    > easy targets.

    > Wanna see ‘em run?  When they flip you the finger, give ‘em a big smile
    > and shake your head up and down in a big YES!  Now convinced you are a
    > flaming fag, they’ll run for the horizon!  Works great in the car,
    > too….(c;

    > Larry
    > —
    > Grade School Physics Factoid:
    > A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    > skilled demolition.

    You complain about boardings being illegal search and siezure, while
    advocating turning a RIGHT into a privilege?

  5. admin says:

    Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1180183370.019044.242480
    @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    > Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    > Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    > that. ;-)
    > Here’s a solution:

    Not 100% correct

  6. admin says:

    "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

    news:Xns993C586EAD6D0otnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…

    > Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1180183370.019044.242480
    > @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    >> Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    >> Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    >> that. ;-)
    >> Here’s a solution:

    > Not 100% correct

    Correct. When it appears that maintaining course will result in a collision,
    both vessels are singally required to do whatever it takes to avoid that
    collision. At that point, "stand-on" or "give-way" is moot, other than in
    court.

  7. admin says:

    "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
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    > "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:Xns993C586EAD6D0otnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…
    >> Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in
    >> news:1180183370.019044.242480 @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    >>> Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    >>> Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    >>> that. ;-)
    >>> Here’s a solution:

    >> Not 100% correct

    > Correct. When it appears that maintaining course will result in a
    > collision, both vessels are singally required to do whatever it takes
    > to avoid that collision. At that point, "stand-on" or "give-way" is
    > moot, other than in court.

    Although what you say is basically true, what I was referring to was the
    term "right of way"…… it is still used in Rule 9 Inland USA

  8. admin says:

    "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
    news:YfqdndptTOGh18XbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@centurytel.net:

    > You complain about boardings being illegal search and siezure, while
    > advocating turning a RIGHT into a privilege?

    What "right", driving a boat?  When did that become a "right"?  If I have
    a "right" to drive a boat, there’s absolutely no reason to stop me from
    doing so, fire extinguisher or not!  Boating isn’t a "right" on the
    public’s waterways no more than driving is a "right" on the public’s
    roads.

    A cop can’t stop you while you are driving your car legally just to snoop
    into your trunk for his own edification.  That’s against my Bill of
    Rights against illegal search and seizure…or it was Friday afternoon if
    they haven’t deleted it, yet.  It is STILL illegal search and seizure for
    a watercop, from whatever bureaucracy, to stop you for the same reason,
    to snoop into your boat for no reason.  Same Bill of Rights, as of Friday
    afternoon.

    It’s bullshit…..and illegal.  My fire extinguisher has been
    "inspected" 5 times in ONE day in the jetboat….how stupid.

    Larry

    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.

  9. admin says:

    "Larry" <no…@home.com> wrote in message

    news:Xns993CB059159ACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253…

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    > "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
    > news:YfqdndptTOGh18XbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@centurytel.net:

    >> You complain about boardings being illegal search and siezure, while
    >> advocating turning a RIGHT into a privilege?

    > What "right", driving a boat?  When did that become a "right"?  If I have
    > a "right" to drive a boat, there’s absolutely no reason to stop me from
    > doing so, fire extinguisher or not!  Boating isn’t a "right" on the
    > public’s waterways no more than driving is a "right" on the public’s
    > roads.

    > A cop can’t stop you while you are driving your car legally just to snoop
    > into your trunk for his own edification.  That’s against my Bill of
    > Rights against illegal search and seizure…or it was Friday afternoon if
    > they haven’t deleted it, yet.  It is STILL illegal search and seizure for
    > a watercop, from whatever bureaucracy, to stop you for the same reason,
    > to snoop into your boat for no reason.  Same Bill of Rights, as of Friday
    > afternoon.

    > It’s bullshit…..and illegal.  My fire extinguisher has been
    > "inspected" 5 times in ONE day in the jetboat….how stupid.

    > Larry
    > —
    > Grade School Physics Factoid:
    > A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    > skilled demolition.

    Actually, transporting oneself and one’s private property upon the public
    roadways is a right well-enshrined in our legal traditions, and recognised
    by no less than the US Supreme Court in many decisions. Similarly, the
    transportation of oneself and property upon the common waterways is also a
    right. Engage in commerce using that property, and that right no longer
    exists.

    Somewhere along the way, the distinction between COMMERCIAL traffic and
    private use became blurred, then obliterated.

    You DO have the right to use your automobile on the public roadways, and the
    right to use your boat on the public waterways, and the right to be free
    from unreasonable searches and seizures in both cases. But until the sheeple
    stand up for their rights en-masse, the nail that stands up will be hammered
    down.

  10. admin says:

    On Sat, 26 May 2007 10:49:10 -0500, "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com>
    wrote:

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    >"otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >news:Xns993C586EAD6D0otnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…
    >> Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1180183370.019044.242480
    >> @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    >>> Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    >>> Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    >>> that. ;-)
    >>> Here’s a solution:

    >> Not 100% correct

    >Correct. When it appears that maintaining course will result in a collision,
    >both vessels are singally required to do whatever it takes to avoid that
    >collision. At that point, "stand-on" or "give-way" is moot, other than in
    >court.

    In fact there was a case in the Singapore court a few years back where
    two vessels in a controlled port traffic system were both deemed to be
    in the wrong. One vessel for deviating from the specified channel and
    ignoring instructions of the traffic controller, and the second for
    not taking all possible action to avoid the collision.

    Bruce in Bangkok
    (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)


    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  11. admin says:

    "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
    news:QYadnZhZ5uCEJsXbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@centurytel.net:

    > You DO have the right to use your automobile on the public roadways,
    > and the right to use your boat on the public waterways, and the right
    > to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures in both cases. But
    > until the sheeple stand up for their rights en-masse, the nail that
    > stands up will be hammered down.

    Try to explain that to the cop after you lost your license, not me…(c;

    Larry

    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.

  12. admin says:

    Charlie Morgan <*@*.com> wrote in news:92mh535j8n7m2lli4vf449966i43r4fqco@
    4ax.com:

    > Mid-air head on. Both killed instantly.

    See?  "Natural Selection"…just like Darwin said!

    Larry

    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.

  13. admin says:

    Charlie Morgan <*@*.com> wrote in
    news:s8mh535avv1mo80cahc7vfu31daapjh2i9@4ax.com:

    > As far as I know, the term "Right of Way" only appears in the Inland
    > Rules.

    At sea, right-of-way is either spelled EVERGREEN or SEALAND or MAERSK,
    where I live…(c;  They use a 32" prop………………….bolt.
    …..and don’t worry about scratchin’ the paint!

    Larry

    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.

  14. admin says:

    "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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    > "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
    > news:WoOdnQBk0f7gy8XbnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@centurytel.net:

    >> "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:Xns993C586EAD6D0otnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…
    >>> Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in
    >>> news:1180183370.019044.242480 @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    >>>> Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    >>>> Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    >>>> that. ;-)
    >>>> Here’s a solution:

    >>> Not 100% correct

    >> Correct. When it appears that maintaining course will result in a
    >> collision, both vessels are singally required to do whatever it takes
    >> to avoid that collision. At that point, "stand-on" or "give-way" is
    >> moot, other than in court.

    > Although what you say is basically true, what I was referring to was the
    > term "right of way"…… it is still used in Rule 9 Inland USA

    It’s also used in Rule 14 (d) Head-on Situation.


    "j" ganz @@
    http://www.sailnow.com

  15. admin says:

    "Capt. JG" <jg…@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message

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    > "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:Xns993C5B9564BDFotnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…
    >> "KLC Lewis" <nos…@spamless.com> wrote in
    >> news:WoOdnQBk0f7gy8XbnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@centurytel.net:

    >>> "otnmbrd" <otnm…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:Xns993C586EAD6D0otnmbrdearthlinknet@207.217.125.201…
    >>>> Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote in
    >>>> news:1180183370.019044.242480 @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

    >>>>> Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way
    >>>>> vessel.
    >>>>> Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    >>>>> that. ;-)
    >>>>> Here’s a solution:

    >>>> Not 100% correct

    >>> Correct. When it appears that maintaining course will result in a
    >>> collision, both vessels are singally required to do whatever it
    >>> takes
    >>> to avoid that collision. At that point, "stand-on" or "give-way" is
    >>> moot, other than in court.

    >> Although what you say is basically true, what I was referring to was
    >> the
    >> term "right of way"…… it is still used in Rule 9 Inland USA

    > It’s also used in Rule 14 (d) giving head-on situation.

    Oh my!

    Wilbur Hubbard

  16. admin says:

    Larry,,,  you sure are quick to take a license when it is something you
    don’t like

    {They know nothing of right-of-way…..another reason I call for mandatory
    testing and licensing the hermits resist.  If I can take his license, I
    can take his life!  The easy way would be to simply take his driver’s
    license from him.  Of course, that would require real enforcement, not
    just some flak-jacketed cowboys stopping everyone for no reason to check
    their fire extinguishers…illegal search and seizure.  They go for the
    easy targets.}

    Now .. let me see.  If someone steals copyrighted material from another,
    shouldn’t that thief have his
    license taken?  I think so.

    ============================================================

    "Larry" <no…@home.com> wrote in message

    news:Xns993C58475D411noonehomecom@208.49.80.253…

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    > "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote in news:465824d1$0$3244
    > $4c368…@roadrunner.com:

    >> he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference)

    > No shotgun aboard?  They usually ski away fast when I come up from below
    > with the big Browning….(c;

    > I used to ski in a pack with others who love them.  I still love them,
    > but realize I’m not gettin’ any younger.  We never wake jumped anyone’s
    > boat without calling them on the radio to ask if it was OK.  Our favorite
    > was tugboats in a hurry to get upriver, which creates a huge wake trying
    > to plane their displacement hulls.  They monitor channel 10…(c;  "Try
    > not to scratch the new paint.", one tugboat captain told me.  He added
    > throttle to make the wave bigger.  The trick is to jump off the bow wave
    > and try to land over the top of the next wave aft….without flipping
    > over or nosing in, of course….(c;

    > They know nothing of right-of-way…..another reason I call for mandatory
    > testing and licensing the hermits resist.  If I can take his license, I
    > can take his life!  The easy way would be to simply take his driver’s
    > license from him.  Of course, that would require real enforcement, not
    > just some flak-jacketed cowboys stopping everyone for no reason to check
    > their fire extinguishers…illegal search and seizure.  They go for the
    > easy targets.

    > Wanna see ‘em run?  When they flip you the finger, give ‘em a big smile
    > and shake your head up and down in a big YES!  Now convinced you are a
    > flaming fag, they’ll run for the horizon!  Works great in the car,
    > too….(c;

    > Larry
    > —
    > Grade School Physics Factoid:
    > A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    > skilled demolition.

  17. admin says:

    On May 26, 8:42 am, Keith <keith77720032…@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    > On May 26, 7:15 am, "Roger Long" <rlong…@maine.rr.com> wrote:

    > > Now I know how the large commercial operators must feel some times.

    > > I was motoring at five knots when a jet ski came roaring across my bow from
    > > starboard at about full speed for those things.  As he went by at 30 knots,
    > > he screamed, "You %$#@* (reproductive reference) (feminine hygine
    > > reference), I had the right of way!

    > > Huh. Who ever heard of a jet ski operator even knowing that there was such a
    > > thing?   Our speed disparity was such that any course or speed alteration I
    > > could have made wouldn’t have significantly altered my status as an
    > > essentially stationary object.  His course was dead straight and the passing
    > > distance wasn’t any less than is typical for these buzz  bombs.

    > > Nice to know that one of these bozos has read a boating book though.

    > > —
    > > Roger Long

    > Nobody has the "right of way". You’re a stand-on or give-way vessel.
    > Of course, you wouldn’t expect a %^$^% jet ski operator to know
    > that. ;-)

    Here in New York State, all us pwc operators/enthusiasts know that
    because we have to pass a boating safety course certification test in
    order to legally operate our boats (pwc’s).  In my opinion it should
    be that way in all states for all boaters (regardless of the size and
    shape of their hulls)….just like for automobile drivers.

    Maybe I haven’t thought it through deeply enough, but I don’t mind
    being stopped and checked to see that I have a fire extinguisher, my
    certification license, registration and all other required safety
    equipment; the rules make sense and it’s a good idea to make sure that
    people know them and are obeying them.  I always appreciate the chance
    to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
    all my fellow educated, responsible pwc’ers.

    richforman

  18. admin says:

    On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com>
    wrote:

    >I always appreciate the chance
    >to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
    >all my fellow educated, responsible pwc’ers.

    I know we’ve had this conversation before but you’ve got an uphill
    battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

    One of our local, responsible, PWC’ers managed to decapitate himself
    last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

    http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=12910&z=3&p=

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    Wayne.B wrote:
    > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com>
    > wrote:

    >>I always appreciate the chance
    >>to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
    >>all my fellow educated, responsible pwc’ers.

    > I know we’ve had this conversation before but you’ve got an uphill
    > battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

    > One of our local, responsible, PWC’ers managed to decapitate himself
    > last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

    > http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=12910&z=3&p=

    Yes, but he learned his lesson and won’t do it again!

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    "cavelamb himself" <cavel…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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    > Wayne.B wrote:
    >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com>
    >> wrote:

    >>>I always appreciate the chance
    >>>to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
    >>>all my fellow educated, responsible pwc’ers.

    >> I know we’ve had this conversation before but you’ve got an uphill
    >> battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

    >> One of our local, responsible, PWC’ers managed to decapitate himself
    >> last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

    >> http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=12910&z=3&p=

    > Yes, but he learned his lesson and won’t do it again!

    Yeah, but all his buddies are saying, "Wow, that’s sooo cool." <g?


    "j" ganz @@
    http://www.sailnow.com

  21. admin says:

    On Jun 12, 5:38 pm, Wayne.B <waynebatrecdotbo…@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:58 -0700,richforman<rforma…@msn.com>
    > wrote:

    > >I always appreciate the chance
    > >to make a good impression (and dispel certain stereotypes)on behalf of
    > >all my fellow educated, responsible pwc’ers.

    > I know we’ve had this conversation before but you’ve got an uphill
    > battle ahead of you in regard to stereotypes.

    > One of our local, responsible, PWC’ers managed to decapitate himself
    > last week while running through a mooring area at speed.

    > http://www.nbc-2.com/Articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=12910&z=3&p=

    That is horrible (but then obviously he wasn’t one of the responsible
    and safe-operating ones I referred to….I didn’t mean to imply that
    all pwc’ers fell in that category, if it sounded that way I wasn’t
    expressing myself quite clearly.)  At any rate, of course in any
    segment of boaters (not just pwc’s) we could come up with lots of
    recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
    doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
    conduct themselves on the water.

    richforman

  22. admin says:

    "Dave" <D…@nothere.com> wrote in message

    news:mer0731ih3t9nmd6epvdm29s096dkho75d@4ax.com…

    > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com> said:

    >>At any rate, of course in any
    >>segment of boaters (not just pwc’s) we could come up with lots of
    >>recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
    >>doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
    >>conduct themselves on the water.

    > I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each
    > of
    > us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

    As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel with
    three students aboard a 32′. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm waiving,
    which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up to avoid him.
    After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer for him, because
    the Coasties saw the whole thing… they were sitting right there on the
    edge of the channel. I guess he didn’t see them until they pulled him over.
    We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.


    "j" ganz @@
    http://www.sailnow.com

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    Capt. JG wrote:
    > "Dave" <D…@nothere.com> wrote in message
    > news:mer0731ih3t9nmd6epvdm29s096dkho75d@4ax.com…

    >>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com> said:

    >>>At any rate, of course in any
    >>>segment of boaters (not just pwc’s) we could come up with lots of
    >>>recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
    >>>doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
    >>>conduct themselves on the water.

    >>I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of each
    >>of
    >>us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever will.

    > As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel with
    > three students aboard a 32′. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm waiving,
    > which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up to avoid him.
    > After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer for him, because
    > the Coasties saw the whole thing… they were sitting right there on the
    > edge of the channel. I guess he didn’t see them until they pulled him over.
    > We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.

    I was out sailing a few weeks back and saw a PWC dead in the water.

    Well, it obviously didn’t get there by itself so I headed over and
    found a young girl (teen) in the water.  She couldn’t get back up
    on the thing because she said she hurt her ankle when she fell off.

    Her "boyfriend" who was "teaching" her was over a mile away.
    Didn’t see her go down, and still wasn’t looking for her.

    We sat there with her for 15 or 20 minutes tooting the horn until
    he finally figured it out and came back for her.

    Then he just circled telling her to get back on.
    Her ankle was obviously badly swollen.

    The boy took off full throttle back across the lake.

    The girl putted slowly back to the dock.

    A little while later the boy came racing back toward the docks.
    Didn’t throw us the finger, but he didn’t look happy either.

    I guess she spoiled all his fun.

    For what ever it’s worth.

    Richard

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    cavelamb himself wrote:
    > Capt. JG wrote:

    >> "Dave" <D…@nothere.com> wrote in message
    >> news:mer0731ih3t9nmd6epvdm29s096dkho75d@4ax.com…

    >>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0700, richforman <rforma…@msn.com> said:

    >>>> At any rate, of course in any
    >>>> segment of boaters (not just pwc’s) we could come up with lots of
    >>>> recent stories of people hurting and killing themselves and others by
    >>>> doing stupid dangerous irresponsible things and not knowing how to
    >>>> conduct themselves on the water.

    >>> I think you can skip the evangelizing. The personal observations of
    >>> each of
    >>> us carries far more weight than your broken-record sales pitch ever
    >>> will.

    >> As an example, I was sailing last weekend in a fairly narrow channel
    >> with three students aboard a 32′. I PWC cut us off, despite our arm
    >> waiving, which he clearly saw. We had to release our sails and head up
    >> to avoid him. After he crossed our path, he gave us the finger. Bummer
    >> for him, because the Coasties saw the whole thing… they were sitting
    >> right there on the edge of the channel. I guess he didn’t see them
    >> until they pulled him over. We gave them the thumbs up and kept going.

    > I was out sailing a few weeks back and saw a PWC dead in the water.

    > Well, it obviously didn’t get there by itself so I headed over and
    > found a young girl (teen) in the water.  She couldn’t get back up
    > on the thing because she said she hurt her ankle when she fell off.

    > Her "boyfriend" who was "teaching" her was over a mile away.
    > Didn’t see her go down, and still wasn’t looking for her.

    > We sat there with her for 15 or 20 minutes tooting the horn until
    > he finally figured it out and came back for her.

    > Then he just circled telling her to get back on.
    > Her ankle was obviously badly swollen.

    > The boy took off full throttle back across the lake.

    > The girl putted slowly back to the dock.

    > A little while later the boy came racing back toward the docks.
    > Didn’t throw us the finger, but he didn’t look happy either.

    > I guess she spoiled all his fun.

    > For what ever it’s worth.

    > Richard

    Pwc’ers are kinda like lawyers: 97% of ‘em give the rest a bad name.

    DT